persuading parents

[pearce1966]

i want to get mw2 but at the moment my problem is that my parents wont let me its like one look at the red 18 sign and my chances of getting it are gone. they have also heard about the airport mission which doesn't help and have watched a program about violent video games and ideas or tips on persuading them

[Guyers94]

How old are you? Depending on your age different strategies are needed.

[pearce1966]

15 with a younger brother of 12

[CraigyBL2]

That sucks mate but ultimately they pay your keep so you've got to respect their decisions really. I don't really know how to advise a persuasion because the media attention the game got was negative but if you're really that intent maybe you could say all your friends have it and are talking about it and you feel left out?

[James!]

The mission can be skipped and doesn't affect trophies so tell them you will and you might have a better chance

[Guyers94]

If you're 15 then you really shouldn't hve a problem so long as you can convince them that you're mature enough to handle it. Tell them there are thousands of people younger than you playing it. You could also use the guilt technique that I used when I wanted GTA San Andreas, tell them you are being shunned out of conversations your friends are having about the game. They should feel sorry for you and cave in.

[Chrisbes32]

You're 15, the game is an 18.

You should not be playing it.

[Guyers94]

You're 15, the game is an 18.

You should not be playing it.

Come on chris if you can't say anything helpful don't say anything.

[Chrisbes32]

Come on chris if you can't say anything helpful don't say anything.

Seriously, age ratings are there for a reason. And guilt tripping a parent into making him/her buy him something which is unsuitable for him is morally wrong.

Or maybe I'm just old fashioned.

[Nagisa24]

just moan at them until they get it. i don't even get why its an 18. should be a 15. i no 8 year olds who play fallout 3 and cod4, you just have to prove to your parents you're responsible and arent going to go on a rampage in an airport.

[Guyers94]

Seriously, age ratings are there for a reason. And guilt tripping a parent into making him/her buy him something which is unsuitable for him is morally wrong.

Or maybe I'm just old fashioned.

Yeah you are ;)

Do you think I'm not mature enough to handle GTA or MW2.

[CraigyBL2]

I was handling blood and gore in Duke Nukem when I was about 9 or 10 and I haven't grown up as a pig murderer. Just because one American idiots goes and shoots up his school in the name of Halo doesn't mean another will follow the same trend. Parents should be able to observe their own children and patterns in their behaviour .. try stressing that point to them but don't do it in a cocky fashion unless you want a good slap around the head.

[Guyers94]

I was handling blood and gore in Duke Nukem when I was about 9 or 10 and I haven't grown up as a pig murderer. Just because one American idiots goes and shoots up his school in the name of Halo doesn't mean another will follow the same trend. Parents should be able to observe their own children and patterns in their behaviour .. try stressing that point to them but don't do it in a cocky fashion unless you want a good slap around the head.

Agreed, except for the slap around the head part :P

[fs86]

You're 15, the game is an 18.

You should not be playing it.

And I agree. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a wide range of players getting access to games, but dodging a LEGAL requirement isn't the right way to go about it. Also - you do realise that if you wanna try guilt-tripping, think on this: The maximum penalty for selling BBFC-rated poduct to underage consumers is £5,000 and/or six months’ jail. That includes selling to an adult for use by someone underage. Quite selfish now, no?

[pearce1966]

its not bbfc anymore

[Eggimann93]

Cant you just walk into the store and buy it?

[fs86]

its not bbfc anymore

oh REALLY:

"The BBFC has insisted on an 18 rating for coming soon Call of Duty title Modern Warfare 2, although it has passed through the official hurdle with no cuts." -
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/28063/modern-warfare-2-18-rating

[The-Twitching-Peanut]

And I agree. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a wide range of players getting access to games, but dodging a LEGAL requirement isn't the right way to go about it. Also - you do realise that if you wanna try guilt-tripping, think on this: The maximum penalty for selling BBFC-rated poduct to underage consumers is £5,000 and/or six months’ jail. That includes selling to an adult for use by someone underage. Quite selfish now, no?

Exactly and that is just the person behind the counter.

The store manager can lose the license as the license to sell age restricted products is held by the shop manager and granted by the local council/trading standard, not the company. The manager can also go to court to be fined and prosecuted as well as the company getting an unlimited fine.

If you go into a shop with your parent and hand them money for an age restricted product, alcohol, dvd, knife or whatever and you are seen doing so, even if it is your parent that you gave the money to, the shop has the legal right to refuse sale based on the assumption that an adult is purchasing it for a minor and no matter how much people argue, it won't work. They can and normally will not sell the product.

By the way, a shop has no legal obligation to sell anything. Just because it is on display doesn't mean a shop has to sell it, this is something not many people realise.

its not bbfc anymore

Even if it doesn't have a BBFC rating but a PEGI the legal responsibility to the retailer still remains, my copy has a BBFC on it.

[mcbeaky]

I'd imagine that your parents know you better than almost everybody else, so they should be able to correctly judge if you can handle the game's content.

And on a side note, they may have already brought it for Crimbo for you and just want to make sure that you don't buy it... or is that wishful thinking?

But tbh, it's the law, so do as your told! lol You wouldn't complain if your parents refused to buy you booze for a party as that's law and this is the same principle! That was a bad example, my parents used to buy me booze all the time XD

[Nagisa24]

god you're all a bunch a do gooder pussies. ooooohhh its aginst the law so don't do it. get fucking real. its only a game which probably shouldnt even be an 18. theres a lot worse things to buy than games. such as alcohol and guns. and at least you'll be nice and safe indoors rather than getting beaten up by chav cunts.

[MikeyJr.]

Ask your grandparents, say there being mean to you. They gotta listen to there parents. :D

[impjim]

You're 15, the game is an 18.

You should not be playing it.

To be honest I have to agree. As much as I hate not being able to buy 18s (for another 2 and 1/2 years at least) They are there for a reason. I would imagine that half of the parents dont even know how much trouble they can get in for letting there children play these games.

In New Zealand if parents are found to be letting their children have access to 18 restricted material they can get put in prison for 3 months or a fine of up to $10,000 :| Whilst this law is practically un-enforceable its shocking to think of what would happen if they found a way to enforce it well and used it in the UK and/or America. Almost all parents would face fines or inprisonment!

As for advice use the guilt thing, it is probably the best thing to do. Either that tell everyone at school you have no money and will get it when you have money XD.

Oh and to Nagisa it doesnt matter what rating it SHOULD be does it? The fact of the matter is that it IS an 18.

[pearce1966]

yeh i was gonna but waw today instead for a tenner off a friend and just as i was about to buy it off him my siad u cant buy u know what my feelings are towards cod games

[tuuttuut1]

Wait 3 years then get it.

[The-Twitching-Peanut]

god you're all a bunch a do gooder pussies. ooooohhh its aginst the law so don't do it.

I'd rather be one of the "bunch do gooder pussies" than have a £5k fine + a criminal record and no job.

Your not going to pay the fine if the person behind the counter gets it wrong so they've got every reason to be cautious and they don't owe the customer anything.

[Nagisa24]

you'd have to be pretty unlucky to get arrested for it. they barely even arrest kids drinking on the street so i doubt they really give a shit if you're parents bought you a game.

[tuuttuut1]

you'd have to be pretty unlucky to get arrested for it. they barely even arrest kids drinking on the street so i doubt they really give a shit if you're parents bought you a game.

Not everyone is as gangsta as you are :<

[Nagisa24]

Not everyone is as gangsta as you are :<

that is true. i just can't help my law breaking beer swilling underage game allowing ways though.

[mcbeaky]

Calm down, we're just telling him to respect his parents so he doesn't become one of those Chav "blanks" lol And if it's just a game, what's the big deal about not being able to buy it?

[fs86]

To be honest I'm happy enough doing :O The Right Thing. I don't care what the odds are of the person behind the counter getting caught... putting them in that position is just scaling the heights of wrongness - you're essentially asking them to commit a crime for which they'll receive the consequences, not you. So back to my original point. Selfish.

[Murton]

You're 15, the game is an 18.

You should not be playing it.

What he said.

[mat1971]

yep wait three years and i bet you wont even bat an eyelid if someone mentions it.

the games are getting more realistic , but its not just the gameplay its the story line & what it "could" tell you. , We're not saying it will tell you anything , but you "could" turn out to be a complete nutter & go out shooting everyone in 15 years. the rating law is there to actually PROTECT YOU !!! , so listen to you parents..

(whats the betting you wont show this thread to em eh ?? )

i know it is hard , all of your mates prob do have the game ,i know my son will not get this game , i had problems with resistance 2 (not for the content but the time spent playing it) , get your school work done & get those grade you need. I bet your parents will buy you any game you want then as a way of saying well done.

[Eggimann93]

yep wait three years and i bet you wont even bat an eyelid if someone mentions it.

the games are getting more realistic , but its not just the gameplay its the story line & what it "could" tell you. , We're not saying it will tell you anything , but you "could" turn out to be a complete nutter & go out shooting everyone in 15 years. the rating law is there to actually PROTECT YOU !!! , so listen to you parents..


To protect us from what really?

[mat1971]

erm , smoking you aint old enough you cant buy em , your health matters

drinking , you aint old enough... heath etc


got to be 16 before you have sex (yeah right) but it matters

playing over-rated games , mental health issues i suppose.

the list goes on, if it didnt matter then it would not be there.. would it ?

ask here http://www.pegi.info/en/index/

i just have and its actually quite interesting reading , it actually says that games play an important role in life

quote from page " Video gaming could be used to enhance skills of flexibility (ability to shift from one task to another) and behavioural inhibition (ability to prevent oneself from doing something inappropriate) in children. This would have a significant impact on their
ability to regulate their own thoughts and behaviour, which is one of the developmental challenges of childhood and could be of great benefit to children…There are other potential benefits of video games in terms of offering the chance to open up the imagination and explore other worlds, conquer fears and develop a sense of identity (Jones, 2002). There are many potential areas where games could have great positive potential for the mental and physical health of children and for education”.

so it aint all bad.

[tuuttuut1]

To protect us from what really?

Harmful images.

[pearce1966]

i played it at a mates and i aint effected me

[The-Twitching-Peanut]

You could use the arguement pearce that Mirrors Edge hasn't made you want to run over roof tops whilst being chased by an over weight copper or playing NFS has made you want to go out TWOCing cars, or playing Uncharted 2 has made you want to break into churches and steal the altar!

Fact is, no matter how much you pester your parents that may not make them buy the game for you. It could have one of two effects.

Either they intend to get the game for your for Xmas because they know how badly you want it and are just playing with you (likely, but doubtful), or alternatively they have a mis-guided opinion that the game will influence you in some way, in which case I blame the Politicians and the Press.

The Press (specifically the Daily Fail) for reporting that the game allows the player to plan terrorist attacks, which is wrong and in fact you play a counter-terrorist unit so in effect you are planning on saving lives and the Politicians for jumping on the band wagon and bringing the game to the attention of the House of Commons based purely on the crap stirring by a middle class newspaper who seems to think that video games, and the lunacy it breeds will negatively affect the housing market.

[Guyers94]

Seriously if my dad went and bought a game in town then gave it to me how the hell would the person in the shop get prosecuted? He can't refuse to sell an adult a game because he is suspicious that it may be for his kid.

[Eggimann93]

erm , smoking you aint old enough you cant buy em , your health matters

drinking , you aint old enough... heath etc


got to be 16 before you have sex (yeah right) but it matters

playing over-rated games , mental health issues i suppose.

the list goes on, if it didnt matter then it would not be there.. would it ?

ask here http://www.pegi.info/en/index/

i just have and its actually quite interesting reading , it actually says that games play an important role in life

quote from page " Video gaming could be used to enhance skills of flexibility (ability to shift from one task to another) and behavioural inhibition (ability to prevent oneself from doing something inappropriate) in children. This would have a significant impact on their
ability to regulate their own thoughts and behaviour, which is one of the developmental challenges of childhood and could be of great benefit to children…There are other potential benefits of video games in terms of offering the chance to open up the imagination and explore other worlds, conquer fears and develop a sense of identity (Jones, 2002). There are many potential areas where games could have great positive potential for the mental and physical health of children and for education”.

so it aint all bad.

I understand if you dont want us to smoke or drink because those are hurtful to a persons health. But there shouldnt be a law that forbids teens from playing games 18+. Luckily there isnt a law like that where i live.

[fs86]

Seriously if my dad went and bought a game in town then gave it to me how the hell would the person in the shop get prosecuted? He can't refuse to sell an adult a game because he is suspicious that it may be for his kid.

Haven't you been reading? That's EXACTLY what they can do - they don't HAVE to sell anything, they just do it because it's their job, but if they suspect it will be played by a minor, then they DON'T sell.

[Rock-Shayde]

This guy will probably end up getting the game, even if he ends up doing some stuff for a guy in an alley he'd rather forget... tbh he didn't stand a chance against the official PS3T.co.uk ethics commitee when basically asking for help in committing a crime. That alone is a punishable offence.

[Chrisbes32]

he didn't stand a chance against the official PS3T.co.uk ethics commitee

I liked that xD

[RGL_UK]

I liked that xD

Me to :D!
Go ethic's community .. GO!

[fs86]

Go ethic's community .. GO!

lol it's like a team of really bad superheroes :P

[Nagisa24]

its like a team of miserable cunts.....oh wait that seems to be most people in this thread. i joke of course but people need to stop constantly taking the moral high ground. its an 18 game so what. how many people actually turn into nutters from games? i'd say about 2 people ever. and one of those was probably mental to begin with. the other was the kid who threw a knife into his mates chest after playing mortal kombat. but i digress. we are nerds who like games not the last bastion of human decency.

[fs86]

i'd say about 2 people ever. and one of those was probably mental to begin with.

Probably quite true, so I take it then you suggest that now a shop assistant has to play psychologist and screen their customers before they sell the game? Yeah I don't see that working quite so well...

This is by no means any of us saying all teenagers aren't stable enough to view/play an age restricted title, but I for one would rather stick to age restrictions than risk getting stabbed by an out-his-mind teenager, which I'm sure we can agree would be a dangerous minority.

[Nagisa24]

you have more chance of getting stabbed by someone who doesnt play games, some ruffian on the street say, rather than someone who is sat at home playing a game.

[fs86]

you have more chance of getting stabbed by someone who doesnt play games, some ruffian on the street say, rather than someone who is sat at home playing a game.

lol not heard the word ruffian in a while, nice.

Yeah I get what you mean, and I respect the opinion that, yeah, a LOT of teenagers are mature enough to handle violence, and it's a very small minority who would ever choose to act it out. But they do.

And as much as I so dearly wish it wasn't true, trust me, I have done the appropriate research - and can point you towards some journals if you'd like, that violent videogames DO increase aggression levels in teenagers and children.

[pearce1966]

but my problem is my dad doesn't give one but my mum hates any game with the word cod even if i wanted a fishing game say cod2 fishing she wouldn't ge me it because she'd think its a gun game when i asked her i could she wat game i said cod waw and she instantly said no and im the right age but she allows games which are higher ratings eg

Uncharted 2: 16
Mirrors Edge: 16

wat im saying is how am i meant to get cod 5 if shes completed anti cod

[Eggimann93]

Why dont you try to buy the game in a store yourself? Or is every store supertight on that rule?

[fs86]

Why dont you try to buy the game in a store yourself? Or is every store supertight on that rule?

It's not a rule, it's a LAW... prison... fines, and so on...

[Eggimann93]

It's not a rule, it's a LAW... prison... fines, and so on...

Meant to say law. But can you really get prison for selling one game to a teen?

[The-Twitching-Peanut]

Meant to say law. But can you really get prison for selling one game to a teen?

Yes, in the UK we have Trading Standards which amongst other things enforce the laws relating to Trade and the Sale of Goods. They (as well as the Police) regularly send in minors to try and purchase age restricted goods and that is when the sales person has to make the choice, ask for ID or refuse sale.

If they sell it either it will be a small fine of around £80 for the sales person or the Police/Trading Standards may take the matter to court in which case the chances of imprisonment increases.

In Ireland I believe it is illegal to do this as it is considered Entrapment but in the UK the law allows it as it is seen as ensuring responsible traders.

[pearce1966]

but im old enough to get cod 5

[Nagisa24]

is w@w only a 15? its far more violent than mw2.

[Tassy]

Meant to say law. But can you really get prison for selling one game to a teen?

depends if you look 18 they don't give a hoot i used to get my killzone 2 and gta 4 from my friend (who is 17) he went in the store and bought it simple. however if you are desperate ask someone outside the store to buy it 4 u :D or grow a moustache or beard works all the time ;) (for my friend is does)

[fs86]

but im old enough to get cod 5

but not mw2

[MikeyJr.]

depends if you look 18 they don't give a hoot i used to get my killzone 2 and gta 4 from my friend (who is 17) he went in the store and bought it simple. however if you are desperate ask someone outside the store to buy it 4 u :D or grow a moustache or beard works all the time ;) (for my friend is does)

Or be 6ft 5 like me, then you need little facial hair. (like me)

[The-Twitching-Peanut]

depends if you look 18 they don't give a hoot i used to get my killzone 2 and gta 4 from my friend (who is 17) he went in the store and bought it simple. however if you are desperate ask someone outside the store to buy it 4 u :D or grow a moustache or beard works all the time ;) (for my friend is does)

I know Tesco has a 21 policy (I work for them that's how I know) and some Asda stores do 25. But the one near me got stung by the Police and trading standards for supplying an age restricted item to a minor and they upped their policy to 30!

[germ1984]

One of the many reasons videogames get such a bad rep in the media and press is because games like MW2 (which SHOULD be an 18 - just because you can skip the airport level, doesn't mean you will) get played by people who, legally, shouldn't be playing them. It doesn't fucking matter what your opinion is on whether the game should be an 18 or not.

It really pisses me off when people complain about how badly games and gamers get portrayed by the mass media, then go and give them ammunition to shoot us with by playing a game while underaged.
Go and get them to buy you a 15 instead.

[fs86]

One of the many reasons videogames get such a bad rep in the media and press is because games like MW2 (which SHOULD be an 18 - just because you can skip the airport level, doesn't mean you will) get played by people who, legally, shouldn't be playing them. It doesn't fucking matter what your opinion is on whether the game should be an 18 or not.

It really pisses me off when people complain about how badly games and gamers get portrayed by the mass media, then go and give them ammunition to shoot us with by playing a game while underaged.
Go and get them to buy you a 15 instead.

Well said Germ, the various age rating systems should be a shining argument of how the industry ISN'T trying to "corrupt young minds" to those lovely people looking to ban them. It completely loses any credibility when a) kids dodge them, and b) the parents (who no doubt jump on the bandwagon every so often and complain about how games are ruining their children's lives) conveniently ignore the ratings. I would assume this is mostly under the misguided notion that games are, were, and will always be, the preserve of children.

They obviously don't realise the average gamer is 35.

[mat1971]

They obviously don't realise the average gamer is 35.


that makes me feel better :lol:

[slideguitarjoe91]

Seriously, age ratings are there for a reason. And guilt tripping a parent into making him/her buy him something which is unsuitable for him is morally wrong.

Or maybe I'm just old fashioned.

I agree with Chrisbes32 that age ratings are there for a reason, and that younger people should not play on things that are explicit. However, I think that some game's age ratings are way higher than they should be. I mean, I wouldn't let my children (if I had any) watch pulp fiction or lock stock two smoking barrels but I would let them play on SOME 18 rated games, not GTA but yes mw2. I had San andreas when I was about 15, and manhunt, etc, and I played on them a lot (whilst maintaining a healthy social life) and they didn't do me any harm. I got GTA IV at the start of my AS levels though, and I reckon they suffered.... As for obtaining a copy of mw2 goes, is there not a more shady member of the family that you can get to buy it you on the quiet? likle a cool uncle or something? and just keep it in your sock drawer? :shocked2:

[Jeff_Spectre]

have you ever just tried bying it yourself?
you'd be suprised how easy it is to by games that have high age ratings.
and i'm one of those guys that looked 14 for far too long so i definatley didnt look 18 when i bought 18's
small indi games stores are the best for buying 18's

[Barracuda167]

At the risk of being branded a boring old fart, I just wanted to add a parents perspective to this dicussion. My eldest daughter is now 20 so I have been on the receiving end of this sort of situation.
First of all I have heard the old argument of all my mates have got this... well I expect most of them have had exactly the same conversation with their parents, and it the ones that say no that care what their children are up to. Its all a matter of where do you draw the line, if your parents let you have this game,then another comes along that you want at what point would you accept no as an answer,or say maybe I shouldnt play this game or watch this film or drink this alchahol.
A few people have commented that parents know their children and can make a judgement on what is suitable for them, and to a certain extent I agree, but that is taking censorship out of the hands of the authorities and handing it to parents who would then need to know the content of everything you are playing,which would be virtualy impossible, or we're back to square one where you decide what is ok which I would guess would be everything.
The one thing that I do disagree with is those that have said I have played these games and it hasnt affected me, well no you may not be a gun toteing killer who steals cars, but as a gamer I know I dont make moral decisions in games that I would do in real life. whether you agree or not the purpose of age limitations is to protect impressionable youngsters, and I accept that some are more worldly wise than others but the LINE IS DRAWN.

[the_only_moggy]

At the risk of being branded a boring old fart, I just wanted to add a parents perspective to this dicussion. My eldest daughter is now 20 so I have been on the receiving end of this sort of situation.
First of all I have heard the old argument of all my mates have got this... well I expect most of them have had exactly the same conversation with their parents, and it the ones that say no that care what their children are up to. Its all a matter of where do you draw the line, if your parents let you have this game,then another comes along that you want at what point would you accept no as an answer,or say maybe I shouldnt play this game or watch this film or drink this alchahol.
A few people have commented that parents know their children and can make a judgement on what is suitable for them, and to a certain extent I agree, but that is taking censorship out of the hands of the authorities and handing it to parents who would then need to know the content of everything you are playing,which would be virtualy impossible, or we're back to square one where you decide what is ok which I would guess would be everything.
The one thing that I do disagree with is those that have said I have played these games and it hasnt affected me, well no you may not be a gun toteing killer who steals cars, but as a gamer I know I dont make moral decisions in games that I would do in real life. whether you agree or not the purpose of age limitations is to protect impressionable youngsters, and I accept that some are more worldly wise than others but the LINE IS DRAWN.

I think you make an excellent point, we have age ratings and restrictions for a reason. I mean as a kid you honestly think it's to spoil your fun and that Parents and the government have teamed up to deny you some magical, integral part of life, but in all honesty some things aren't meant for kids. I mean as a 14 year old you may want to watch and play 18's but I'm sure you wouldn't let your 8 year old sibling watch them aswell, it's the same thing.

In the end I hate that Video Games are blamed for alot of the evil in the world, I've played them since I was 8 years old and I havn't stolen a car, burned down a building, or killed anyone, but if some parents didn't let their 12 year olds play GTA or COD then Games wouldn't be as easy a target. You may try look for ways around your parents, look for anyway to get what you want, but if they've said no it's probably meant for your own good, which may sound like crap when you're under the age limit, but after it starts making sense. Plus I don't want my hobbies ruined by some dumbass 14 year old who wouldn't seperate fantasy from reality and used some violent Video Game as an excuse to shoot a bunch of people or steal a car.

[Nagisa24]

if you want an 18 game steal your paretnts credit card and order it from play or amazon

[Lewis Grindell]

It's actually stupid to rate Cod or any other shooter an 18. It should have an age of mental disability on it, any normal kid who buys Cod underage wont start going mental and trying to buy guns to shoot people. But if you have mental problems then it could lead to something like that.

[fs86]

It's actually stupid to rate Cod or any other shooter an 18. It should have an age of mental disability on it, any normal kid who buys Cod underage wont start going mental and trying to buy guns to shoot people. But if you have mental problems then it could lead to something like that.

Surely having a "Mental Age" rating, instead of an actual age rating, is one and the same thing. For example, if someone aged 18 has developmental difficulties, I would imagine that a parent/carer would look twice at what they're buying, especially if it's deemed to be suitable for over 18s. To my mind, this strengthens the argument of having an age rating system, because if someone has problems with their mental faculties, which gives them a lower "mental age", let's say they had a mental age of 11... someone has determined that they are at the same stage as an 11 year old. In that case, it's also wrong for an actual 11 year old to get the game.

Unless you're talking about psycho/sociopaths, then that's a completely different kettle of fish, and nothing to do with mental or actual age at all.

[Murton]

It's actually stupid to rate Cod or any other shooter an 18. It should have an age of mental disability on it, any normal kid who buys Cod underage wont start going mental and trying to buy guns to shoot people. But if you have mental problems then it could lead to something like that.


:stunned:


Aye. Owt you say, Lewis...

[Lewis Grindell]

What im trying to say is that age shouldn't matter at all because I know 25 year olds who act like 10 year olds and I know 15 year olds who are more mature than most other people so why is it more suitable for some kid over 18 that acts childish and is gone in the head than a mature 15 year old?It's not at all which is why there should be no age limit and it can be the parents choice wether they can have it.

[CraigyBL2]

What im trying to say is that age shouldn't matter at all because I know 25 year olds who act like 10 year olds and I know 15 year olds who are more mature than most other people so why is it more suitable for some kid over 18 that acts childish and is gone in the head than a mature 15 year old?It's not at all which is why there should be no age limit and it can be the parents choice wether they can have it.

I lose intelligence when I read your posts, it's really distressing.

[Lewis Grindell]

I lose intelligence when I read your posts, it's really distressing.

Your speaking to an "A" grade english student here who only put's effort in when needed. Craigy arent you the guy who looks like a girl and poses like a gayboy? Yeah I thought so.....

[Rock-Shayde]

To be honest I doubt anything they do makes a difference. Think what happened with the old Grand Theft Auto's, when we get incidents like the ones that arose from them there's no way they're gonna lower the rating system 'cos that's pretty much all the power they have. Even that only works on a small percentage of strict parents and square teenagers. Think how many prepubescent teenagers play COD (ahh I like doing that... makes me feel good about myself that I don't), that's never gonna change as long as they have parents, consoles, and friends. The thing is though: what do the parents know? All they see is an (18) on a plastic case held up by sweaty hands with puppy-dog eyes next to it...

It has like no effect whether they're 3+ or 18+ teenagers will still end up with them, and hardly any go around shooting people in turbans in town centres... So what's to worry about :D

[CraigyBL2]

Your speaking to an "A" grade english student here who only put's

Wow .. that's pretty fucking special.

[Lewis Grindell]

Wow .. that's pretty fucking special.

Well it iz a bit perfetic dat u critizzise my post wen i knw i can write proply wen i need 2 so frm nw on am guna write like dis k wid u?

[Murton]

Your speaking to an "A" grade english student here who only put's effort in when needed. Craigy arent you the guy who looks like a girl and poses like a gayboy? Yeah I thought so.....

Further proof that badly trained chimps could sail through GCSE's these days, if ever it were needed........


Well it iz a bit perfetic dat u critizzise my post wen i knw i can write proply wen i need 2 so frm nw on am guna write like dis k wid u?

It'll not make you look any more of a tit than some of your previous statements, so knock yourself out...

[CraigyBL2]

Well it iz a bit perfetic dat u critizzise my post wen i knw i can write proply wen i need 2 so frm nw on am guna write like dis k wid u?

I'm struggling to see the difference?

[Nagisa24]

i got an A in english GCSE and i basically just spat on the page.

i think the stupidity of cod being an 18 is best summed up by the facebook group "you can join the army at 16 but have to be 18 to play cod" epic win.

[Lewis Grindell]

Craigy let's just settle with the fact I can sleep in peace knowing im not gay and look like a girl but on the other hand you do. Was your parents some of those dodgy americans who let there kids have sex changes at 5? Hmmm shame for you, a boy with a fanny. YOUR a lady gaga wannabe.

[Nagisa24]

don't diss craig he's the most attractive person ever.FACT. <3

[Murton]

i got an A in english GCSE and i basically just spat on the page.

i think the stupidity of cod being an 18 is best summed up by the facebook group "you can join the army at 16 but have to be 18 to play cod" epic win.

The army just need more idiots to be cannon fodder. They prey on the young as they're more easily influenced by the pictures of nightclubbing and snowboarding and all the other army 'awesomeness'...

In reality, they just need people to go and get shot on the ground after the RAF have taken out all the main targets from the air... Gets right on my nerves all this blanket "Heroes" rubbish, when they're just doing a job they signed up for. Other professions also put their lives on the line (firefighters, police, etc) and their staff have IQ's in at least double figures, yet don't get anywhere near as much praise as some numpty who joined the army because he fancied a spot of windsurfing then his family complain he's going to get shot at when he signed up during a time of war.....

[Lewis Grindell]

don't diss craig he's the most attractive person ever.FACT. <3

That's all normal, boys are suppose to love girls. :)

[liambonner]

That's all normal, boys are suppose to love girls. :)

Tell that to your dad.

[Lewis Grindell]

Tell that to your dad.

Done. ;)

[Guyers94]

A* English student? Your school must throw them at people if that's the case. You wouldn't know correct spelling or punctuation if it came and punched you in your arrogant face.

[Nagisa24]

lewis get it into your head, no-one fucking likes you, you little inbred cunt. you talk about people being immature or mature and its clear that you're as immature as they come and perfect proof that COD needed an age rating, its just a shame that you're parents are obviously such morons, and obviously can't read that you shouldnt be playing an 18 game.

[the_only_moggy]

Wow this has gone way off topic, try to be nice huh?

I personally really agree with the Age Rating systems, because without them we wouldnt have a leg to stand on when we argue about violence in the medium. As it is, I often argue the case that these kids or watevers that go crazy and kill, main, or abuse someone else and blame GTW or watever were disturbed before they played the game and they just got the idea from the game, if it wasnt from the game it would have been from a movie, music, or a book, or just simply brutalised some random person. But with an Age rating system gamers have a fallback: if a 14 year old who burned down a house claims to have gotten the idea from MW2 or GTA then we can say that the game is rated 18 and they shouldnt have been able to play, its no one elses fault other than the parents. Without a rating system we loose that argument. I would rather a bunch of kids went through the same thing I did (not being able to play rated games til they were the right age) and whined like a bitch than loose the right to play violent, risque, or controversial games altogether.

Once again, please stop simply throwing insults at each other and actually discuss the thread. Contrary to popular belief, you're personal opinions are neither gospal truth nor unassailable.

[thegreatadam]

lewis get it into your head, no-one fucking likes you, you little inbred cunt. you talk about people being immature or mature and its clear that you're as immature as they come and perfect proof that COD needed an age rating, its just a shame that you're parents are obviously such morons, and obviously can't read that you shouldnt be playing an 18 game.

wow, um... bit uncalled for me thinks.

[Lewis Grindell]

lewis get it into your head, no-one fucking likes you, you little inbred cunt. you talk about people being immature or mature and its clear that you're as immature as they come and perfect proof that COD needed an age rating, its just a shame that you're parents are obviously such morons, and obviously can't read that you shouldnt be playing an 18 game.

STFU YOU FUKIN BITCH YOUR ONE FUKIN WANKER!!!!!!!!! GO GET A FUKIN LIFE URSELF BEFORE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY GET OF THERE ASS IN THE MORNING AND FUKIN WORK UNLIKE DOLL FUCKERS LIKE YOU!!!! U UGLY BASTARD YOU THINK UR FUKIN REAL HARD ON THE NET AND CAN CALL ANYONE WELL FUKIN SAY IT TO MY FACE WITH YOUR GREASY BEARD YOU PIECE OF SHIT! I CANT WAIT TILL THERES A THREAD ABOUT YOU ON HERE SAYING: R.I.P Nagisa24, I WONT BE POSTING NICE THINGS BELIEVE ME! I WILL QUOTE ALL THE POSTS YOU HAVE DONE WHEN CALLING ME OR SOMEONELSE AND PUT IT IN THE THREAD. YOU ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT RAPE ASWELL YOU SICK CUNT. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!

[tuuttuut1]

STFU YOU FUKIN BITCH YOUR ONE FUKIN WANKER!!!!!!!!! GO GET A FUKIN LIFE URSELF BEFORE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY GET OF THERE ASS IN THE MORNING AND FUKIN WORK UNLIKE DOLL FUCKERS LIKE YOU!!!! U UGLY BASTARD YOU THINK UR FUKIN REAL HARD ON THE NET AND CAN CALL ANYONE WELL FUKIN SAY IT TO MY FACE WITH YOUR GREASY BEARD YOU PIECE OF SHIT! I CANT WAIT TILL THERES A THREAD ABOUT YOU ON HERE SAYING: R.I.P Nagisa24, I WONT BE POSTING NICE THINGS BELIEVE ME! I WILL QUOTE ALL THE POSTS YOU HAVE DONE WHEN CALLING ME OR SOMEONELSE AND PUT IT IN THE THREAD. YOU ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT RAPE ASWELL YOU SICK CUNT. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!

That made my day :D

Quoted for epicness.

[kjkg]

Get back on topic or this is closed

[fs86]

Okay, let's try and reload an earlier save from the thread, it's gone a bit mental...


What im trying to say is that age shouldn't matter at all because I know 25 year olds who act like 10 year olds and I know 15 year olds who are more mature than most other people so why is it more suitable for some kid over 18 that acts childish and is gone in the head than a mature 15 year old?It's not at all which is why there should be no age limit and it can be the parents choice wether they can have it.

I understand your point Lewis, but what I'm trying to say is that if you say a 25 acts like a 10 year old, then surely that's saying a 10 year old shouldn't get the game...

And let's face it, it doesn't do a kid any harm not getting a game, does it?

[Nagisa24]

STFU YOU FUKIN BITCH YOUR ONE FUKIN WANKER!!!!!!!!! GO GET A FUKIN LIFE URSELF BEFORE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY GET OF THERE ASS IN THE MORNING AND FUKIN WORK UNLIKE DOLL FUCKERS LIKE YOU!!!! U UGLY BASTARD YOU THINK UR FUKIN REAL HARD ON THE NET AND CAN CALL ANYONE WELL FUKIN SAY IT TO MY FACE WITH YOUR GREASY BEARD YOU PIECE OF SHIT! I CANT WAIT TILL THERES A THREAD ABOUT YOU ON HERE SAYING: R.I.P Nagisa24, I WONT BE POSTING NICE THINGS BELIEVE ME! I WILL QUOTE ALL THE POSTS YOU HAVE DONE WHEN CALLING ME OR SOMEONELSE AND PUT IT IN THE THREAD. YOU ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT RAPE ASWELL YOU SICK CUNT. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!

ahahahahahahahah love it.

but i'm not actually on the DOLE.

[RotaryRex]

Other professions also put their lives on the line (firefighters) and their staff have IQ's in at least double figures, yet don't get anywhere near as much praise

Well i dont like to blow my own trumpet but thanks! TOOT TOOT :D

[iMarfy]

STFU YOU FUKIN BITCH YOUR ONE FUKIN WANKER!!!!!!!!! GO GET A FUKIN LIFE URSELF BEFORE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY GET OF THERE ASS IN THE MORNING AND FUKIN WORK UNLIKE DOLL FUCKERS LIKE YOU!!!! U UGLY BASTARD YOU THINK UR FUKIN REAL HARD ON THE NET AND CAN CALL ANYONE WELL FUKIN SAY IT TO MY FACE WITH YOUR GREASY BEARD YOU PIECE OF SHIT! I CANT WAIT TILL THERES A THREAD ABOUT YOU ON HERE SAYING: R.I.P Nagisa24, I WONT BE POSTING NICE THINGS BELIEVE ME! I WILL QUOTE ALL THE POSTS YOU HAVE DONE WHEN CALLING ME OR SOMEONELSE AND PUT IT IN THE THREAD. YOU ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT RAPE ASWELL YOU SICK CUNT. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!

Wow, someone needs to turn caps lock off. :L

[Guyers94]

Wow, someone needs to turn caps lock off. :L

And spellchecker on ;)

[Murton]

STFU YOU FUKIN BITCH YOUR ONE FUKIN WANKER!!!!!!!!! GO GET A FUKIN LIFE URSELF BEFORE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY GET OF THERE ASS IN THE MORNING AND FUKIN WORK UNLIKE DOLL FUCKERS LIKE YOU!!!! U UGLY BASTARD YOU THINK UR FUKIN REAL HARD ON THE NET AND CAN CALL ANYONE WELL FUKIN SAY IT TO MY FACE WITH YOUR GREASY BEARD YOU PIECE OF SHIT! I CANT WAIT TILL THERES A THREAD ABOUT YOU ON HERE SAYING: R.I.P Nagisa24, I WONT BE POSTING NICE THINGS BELIEVE ME! I WILL QUOTE ALL THE POSTS YOU HAVE DONE WHEN CALLING ME OR SOMEONELSE AND PUT IT IN THE THREAD. YOU ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT RAPE ASWELL YOU SICK CUNT. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!


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[jay6199]

STFU YOU FUKIN BITCH YOUR ONE FUKIN WANKER!!!!!!!!! GO GET A FUKIN LIFE URSELF BEFORE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY GET OF THERE ASS IN THE MORNING AND FUKIN WORK UNLIKE DOLL FUCKERS LIKE YOU!!!! U UGLY BASTARD YOU THINK UR FUKIN REAL HARD ON THE NET AND CAN CALL ANYONE WELL FUKIN SAY IT TO MY FACE WITH YOUR GREASY BEARD YOU PIECE OF SHIT! I CANT WAIT TILL THERES A THREAD ABOUT YOU ON HERE SAYING: R.I.P Nagisa24, I WONT BE POSTING NICE THINGS BELIEVE ME! I WILL QUOTE ALL THE POSTS YOU HAVE DONE WHEN CALLING ME OR SOMEONELSE AND PUT IT IN THE THREAD. YOU ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT RAPE ASWELL YOU SICK CUNT. FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!

Epic :D