Bnp

[fuzzymuzzy]

ok firstly i appologise if there is another thread about this, didnt notice it an i do realise it could come under racism but this is slight different, just move it if it does.

Anyway what i would like to ask is what people think of the BNP? for people who dont know its the british national party.

They refuse to let anyone who isnt white into their party, their religious morals dont really exict, i would say the believe in fascism and are imo pretty sexist aswell ( like my granda :P )

So to the news, rescently there has been a law past in parliment which basicaly means they have to employ a certain amount of "non-white" people
and for a party who is basically against this i fail to see how such a thing would work, there was recently a protest in england i believe were their followers ( all white you guessed it) were there other side of a police line whom were protects muslims a believe which was pretty heated, now seen as these followers are blind to see the truth of the matter, i see no reason why any "non- white" person would want to join them.

While a do agree in principle to some of the things they say and do, the way they go about it for me is all wrong and seen as they won the rescent eu elections we could be hearin more of this.

Anyway what are your views?

[amplifiedAnt]

While a do agree in principle to some of the things they say and do [...]



I'll have to stop you right there. What the flying fuck?

Yes, there is already a thread. I've articulated most of my viewpoints in that one already.

www.ps3trophies.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23702

[EDIT] This thread is vaguely relevant as well, full of bigotry and unfounded claims about immigration: www.ps3trophies.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20039

My one hope is that by allowing anybody to join their party they're compromising their modus operandi, which should hopefully mean some of their loony supporters lose faith. I also take it you've not heard the recent-ish news about faked propaganda distributed by one of their members? Utterly deplorable and morally reprehensible, yet he gets little more than a slap on the wrist and some 'training.' www.mirror.co.uk/news/hope-not-hate/2009/06/02/fake-bnp-leaflet-shows-there-is-no-lie-too-big-for-the-bnp-115875-21408640/

This makes interesting reading as well: www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/former-BNP-members-speak-out.php

Fascism has no place in a democracy, the only reason they're getting any attention at all is because we're a disenchanted nation and some people are looking to the wrong places for answers. Any idea how Hitler's Germany or Mussolini's Italy came about? The parallels are a bit scary.

[team_hodgson]

Although I completly agree with Amplified on this one I'm not sure Fuzzymuzzy is meaning to sound like a racist. But my advise to you Fuzzy is; regardless of what BNP views you believe in no matter how innocent they may seem - you're probably better off distancing yourself from them and their propaganda. They are an ugly organization who spread hatred and fear throughout much of the inner cities in the UK. I'm sure you are not a racist but you'll have a hard job convincing many people otherwise.
And as for "I see no reason why any "non- white" person would want to join them".... I actually see no reason why any "white" person would want to join them!!

[alphabetegg]

I'll have to stop you right there. What the flying fuck?

Yes, there is already a thread. I've articulated most of my viewpoints in that one already.

www.ps3trophies.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23702

[EDIT] This thread is vaguely relevant as well, full of bigotry and unfounded claims about immigration: www.ps3trophies.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20039

My one hope is that by allowing anybody to join their party they're compromising their modus operandi, which should hopefully mean some of their loony supporters lose faith. I also take it you've not heard the recent-ish news about faked propaganda distributed by one of their members? Utterly deplorable and morally reprehensible, yet he gets little more than a slap on the wrist and some 'training.' www.mirror.co.uk/news/hope-not-hate/2009/06/02/fake-bnp-leaflet-shows-there-is-no-lie-too-big-for-the-bnp-115875-21408640/

This makes interesting reading as well: www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/former-BNP-members-speak-out.php

Fascism has no place in a democracy, the only reason they're getting any attention at all is because we're a disenchanted nation and some people are looking to the wrong places for answers. Any idea how Hitler's Germany or Mussolini's Italy came about? The parallels are a bit scary.

applause, applause i think u should be a fucking politician m8.

[amplifiedAnt]

Heh, I'm not sure we'll go so far as that - I'm just passionate about my beliefs. To be honest I think our government is so gnarled and twisted that it's not a 'game' that I'd like to be sucked into. Integrity and policies based upon genuine, personal beliefs seem to be left at the door so the parties can make way for the PR spin and wishy-washy bullshit.

I find it disturbing (yet morbidly interesting in some ways) that in times of hardship, there are people looking to the far right for answers rather than the left. Economically speaking, the right wing is (generally) concerned with personal gain, hierarchy and maintaining the wealth of the few, whereas the left/centre-left has traditionally been the concern of the working class. Pull together on this one and we'll get through it; try to fight your corner against everybody else and nobody wins.

[fuzzymuzzy]

ok well i already stated that i didnt know there was a previos post so no need to rant about that, secondly i should have went into more detial about my views, i never said i believe they shouldnt employ non-white people nor that i believe any of their views on sexism or fascism. i was merely tryin to say that britian should care more about their people no matter race or religion not go about it like the Bnp.

As for the fake leaflet, all i can say is wow, never heard about that but these are the tactics of all politicions they lie to use to get their votes.

I believe we got off on the wrong foot, i do no belive in the bnp. i think some of their views can be deployed but only if used in a less extreme mannor

[amplifiedAnt]

A perfectly reasonable post until the last phrase, which sticks out like a sore thumb and essentially contradicts everything else you've said:

i think some of their views can be deployed but only if used in a less extreme mannor


I completely and utterly disagree and would love to hear any justification for their views. Your point on Britain caring for ALL people no matter who they are is a great one, but how does that tie in with empathising with the BNP's views? At whichever extent of 'severity' you take them, you'd be advocating xenophobia, racism, homophobia etc.


E.g.

- BNP views include deporting all non-British nationals. What's a 'less extreme manner,' deporting those that only arrived here in the last six months?

- Nick Griffin has said, when being interviewed (http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8141069.stm), that boatloads of African people attempting to seek refuge in southern Europe should be sunk by the EU. Less extreme version = sink every fifth boat?


As me pointing out the old thread, I wasn't really ranting at all, just showing that there was one and that it makes for... well, interesting reading. It comes up in the search results and was only on the second page, not that hard to find really ;)

Hope not hate; tolerance not prejudice.

[Nagisa24]

i hate the bnp but agree that we need to get all the sponging illegal immigrants out.

[JayBox]

I don't care about comebacks that may follow.
BnP ftw.

[amplifiedAnt]

I don't care about comebacks that may follow.
BnP ftw.


Care to elaborate on that, or do you not have any points of your own to make because you've just swallowed up everything that they've sold you?

[Nagisa24]

maybe he's in the bnp.

[amplifiedAnt]

Even if that's the case, my question is equally valid.

[impjim]

Anybody that has ever had a history lesson in their life knows that the BNP could potentially be very bad news. Obviously the BNP aren't exactly the Nazi party there are some terrifying similarities. Jumping on the minds of the less well educated members of the public with propaganda about a hot topic (immigration) is similar to Hitlers rise to power in Germany. Hitler though, was much more lucky. He basically had to jump on something small to win over the population. Now though we have learnt from this which is why the BNP aren't really anything to be worried about.

If they came to power I would leave the country. Simple as.

Edit: @Jaybox: Do you have any black or asain friends or family members? any friends from abroad? they would all be forced to leave Britain. Basically what the BNP claim to do is to get rid of illegal immigrants, which is the law anyway so they are saying they will uphold that law. But also they will make people do "National Service" anyone that doesnt, cannot vote or carry a gun with them.

[fuzzymuzzy]

ok amplified i accept that you got me :P yeah the last bit on reflection i dont mean. And i wasnt aware that those things were said and would not want anything like that to happen, as for illegal immigrants, i think they should be givin a period of say 1-2 years full time study and to prove that they can speak english to a reasonable to degree and they have other skills to show they are able to help our economy and no milk it to the fullest.

I dont know what it is like were you live but in glasgow the place if full of immigrants most are legal but the one's that are not seem to get house etc paid fully by the council and this disturbs me. The east of glasgow is a particularly rough area to which this money on illegal immagrants could be better spent on them.


- BNP views include deporting all non-British nationals. What's a 'less extreme manner,' deporting those that only arrived here in the last six months?

yeah ok i agree with your point, the BNP fail to realise that 99.9% of the population is not from this country. almost every national scottish person has nordic genes, the same will go for the rest of the uk with genes from other parts of the world so no-1 is pure british therefore they would need to kick everyone out.

as for the search bar, i didnt know one excisted and will use it in future ;)

[JayBox]

Well. I just think some people take advantage of us. We just need a law like America. They have to bring something to the country.

[amplifiedAnt]

Even if you actually believe that, that has almost nothing to do with what the BNP are all about. Any party could tighten immigration policy, it doesn't require the racism, xenophobia and oppression of minorities. I suggest you go away and do your research before presuming they're the answer to this problem which may or may not exist (I'm gathering you're going on paper talk or some half-assed story based on a mate/family that it does, and I bet I'm not far wrong).

P.S. Evidence of your sweeping statements pls.

[DjDhiraj1]

Wow, amplifiedant you are well versed with the current topics...I admire your opinions.

[fuzzymuzzy]

i feel sorry for the people that felt they had to vote the BNP in the european elections just gone by, i mean wow those people proberly dont understand what the bnp truely stand for an are suckered in by this recession and the bnp's cry of solidarity for the people

[Haza103]

Anyone here gonna be watching question time tomorrow? I won't be myself, but i think it'll be pretty interesting to see the friday papers covered with it.

[amplifiedAnt]

I'm squirming at the thought of it - of course you can't repress his freedom of speech (unless what he's saying is deemed illegal), but if he manages to make a good impression on even one person that's too many in my opinion. Hopefully the audience and the other MPs will tear him apart, they bloody better do anyway. Even if Griffin tries to dress up his policies as halfway-legitimate it ought to be the easiest job in the world to poke around in the glaring holes.

Just saw this great comment on the BBC which I think sums it up quite well:
"I would just ask him to explain his policies for as long as he likes. Although I might also remind him of the old proverb "Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself." "

Found it on this page (http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7145&edition=1&ttl=20091022102839) and from reading that I have some hope that the majority of people will not take any notice of the BNP's crap.

[fuzzymuzzy]

i dont think i will watch it (question time) but i do think it may be interesting to hear what other people opinion's are and if anyone agrees with them and is willing to say it on tele.

WOW just put on the tele there an noticed the disruptions outside the building because of him, somes it all up really

[Ryan2501]

The country needs an immigration cap, anyone else from London or any other major city will back me up here.

One thing people need to get clear is the difference between immigrants and immigration, not only do the Bnp want to stop/hinder immigration they also want to get rid of immigrants already here which is totally wrong. They are also prejudice towards immigrants and anybody from any time of ethnic minority, which is totally wrong. Immigration is a very very good thing, but when it starts to drain your resources you have to introduce some kind of cap just to steady the ship.

Like ant said before, any party can impose an immigration cap which in my opinion is needed, resources are just drying up for EVERYBODY - immigrants included.

To go to the Bnp for the answer is like asking to only be lightly cooked at your cremation.

[Nagisa24]

they need to get rid of all the sponger immigrants i have no problems with ones who actually work and contribute to the country. also griffins point about gays keeping it behind closed doors was spot on. no-one likes to go in a club and see a guy sucking a cock or wanking each other off.

[Ryan2501]

they need to get rid of all the sponger immigrants i have no problems with ones who actually work and contribute to the country. also griffins point about gays keeping it behind closed doors was spot on. no-one likes to go in a club and see a guy sucking a cock or wanking each other off.

I don't know what kind of clubs you go to but where I go that doesn't happen. What about the thousands of spongers already here? What makes them different?

[Nagisa24]

get all spongers out no matter what colour. but i hate the ones that come over from foreign countries and don't even try to get a job they just know that the government is soft and will give em money for doing fuck all.

[amplifiedAnt]

also griffins point about gays keeping it behind closed doors was spot on. no-one likes to go in a club and see a guy sucking a cock or wanking each other off.


Stay out of gay clubs then?

What a prattish comment, assuming that ever happens anywhere in the fucking world, how is it any worse than a heterosexual couple being all over each other? I think you've got issues with homosexuality actually, it's not really got anything to do with the scenario you've dreamed up.

[Nagisa24]

it wasnt a gay club it was just two dirty unnatural cunts being disgusting.

[amplifiedAnt]

You proved my point anyway, you're clearly homophobic.

Yes, in terms of evolution homosexuality is 'unnatural,' but even so, why is a gay public display of affection worse than one involving a man and a woman?

[Arun.]

I have to admit im homeophobic but only the thoughts of it make me sick, If I see 2 gays on the street I just ignore them and get on with what ever it is im doing, I think being gay isnt 'right' but its not wrong.

Anyway as for the BNP there should be an immigration cap im coloured but im a student and I work ;), but those who come here and dont do shit just take the piss.

In all honesty I dont know much about politics or the goverment but im slowly learning :D

[Nagisa24]

i'm not homophobic i have a couple of gay friends and i don't mind it if its just a quick kiss. but i don't like any massive shows of affection even if its a hetrosexual couple. its like a fuck off and get a room somewhere. its probably mainly because im massively single. 'dykes on the other hand are evil'

[Tassy]

Was Nick griffin supposed to say this during question time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk&feature=popular

[civilred1]

Was Nick griffin supposed to say this during question time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk&feature=popular

Ahhh... that's so funny. I love cassetteboy XD

[fuzzymuzzy]

Was Nick griffin supposed to say this during question time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk&feature=popular

That was quite funny but just take away all seriousnous of the programme

[hanchanfoooo]

Fuck The BNP. im From an ethnic minority and to say Leave Britain WTF Im British were do i go, u tell me that. by the way Nick Griffin said there no such thing as a Black Welshman well one of Britain Best ever athlete was a Black Welshman and he was Colin Jackson

[Nagisa24]

he's fake black though like barrack obama.

[hanchanfoooo]

you talkin bout me as my parents immigrated to the UK from Nigeria before i was born

[Nagisa24]

no colin jackson.

[amplifiedAnt]

The concept of there being such thing as 'indigenous' British people is ridiculous anyway. If the BNP really drilled down with their vision you'd have to kick out the immigrants going back hundreds of years... the Romans, the Normans, the Scandanavians... by which point there'd be nobody left on the island.

I take it Griffin will be appearing on 'Who Do You Think You Are' next to prove his 'pure' lineage, hmm?

[Nagisa24]

haha nice. i wonder who he'd get to run the factories that power this country, where he'd get all the food from as clearly he wouldnt be able to import from foreign countries. there wouldnt be enough people left to reproduce so in effect he'd kill of his perfect white country within a few years. fucking clown. not to worry though as he'll never get in power.

[hanchanfoooo]

The Best Way For me to say it is this FUCK THE BNP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[angelrose]

It looks like the British National Party (BNP) will finally start accepting non-whites! It makes perfect sense. What could be more convincing than a black guy or Asian woman telling other racial minorities that they are wrecking the lives of decent, hard working Anglo-Saxons and Celts, and that said minorities should leave Britain? Nick Griffin must be kicking himself for not coming up with the idea.

[amplifiedAnt]

He had no choice, his hand was forced. If he hadn't amended the party constitution they'd have been deemed ineligible to run as a political party due to discrimination law. It's kind of what the whole thread has been about...

[Barracuda167]

It looks like the British National Party (BNP) will finally start accepting non-whites! It makes perfect sense. What could be more convincing than a black guy or Asian woman telling other racial minorities that they are wrecking the lives of decent, hard working Anglo-Saxons and Celts, and that said minorities should leave Britain? Nick Griffin must be kicking himself for not coming up with the idea.

I can't see how they could justify not alowing these people to join in the first place, maybe I am over simplifying it but surley regardless of your racial heratage if you are born in this country you a British National?

Just to play devils advocate for a moment how would any of you feel if you suddenly realised that in the community you live in, you had become the racial minority and having to live with the culture and ethics of that community?

My personal view on immigration is that we should take the approach of the Australians unless you have a job you cannot become a resident, not just turn up and look for a job later "maybe".