How much are the goverment actually covering up?

[liambonner]

I was haveing a think the other day about how much are the goverment actully covering up?
The thing that trigered me off was my anti. She said that she was watching a program and that there was this woman and she said that the goverment have a cure for cancer and that they are just overing it up.

Now must of you will just think thats stupid why would the goverment cover it up?

Well beacause if they cured everyone that had cancer then there would be to many people liveing.

This begs the question what the hell else are the hideing from use?

Have they discovered loads of knolage from another alien race which is hidden?

[RGL_UK]

My cousin is a scientist who was working on this drug.
He said the same thing, they have found a treatment for cancer, but the government hasnt funded it because they get to much money from companies selling drugs that "help" victims of cancer.

[Haggies]

lol, very x-files-esque, I honestly don't think for a minute any government has a cure for cancer.

Thereotically if they did have some cure for cancer, well most people know someone who has cancer, so say a member of the government knows there is a cure for cancer and someone they care for has cancer, i think they would do everything in their power to get this cure. Then once again theoretically if they were able to give this cure to the person well that person would know of this cures existence as would all that persons doctors and friends as well as if they were unable to get some of this cure, they would undoubtabely leak this story to the media.

Basically what i'm insinuating with these theoretical instances is that even if a government had a cure for cancer I don't think they would be able to keep it quiet.

[amplifiedAnt]

I can highly recommend the film 'Taking Liberties' - look it up on IMDB. It's a bit more to do with civil liberties than purely government cover-ups, but it's DEFINITELY worth a watch.

It's a little one-sided in its presentation, but is full of interesting material for anybody affected by UK government and law. TBH the easiest way to find it is probably to download it...

[ugabugaz]

Liam just following on your post about "Curing Cancer". I know this is off-topic and everything but.. Well i had sorta of an idea. What if you took an entire MRI-Scan of a person then fed that to a computer making a 3D body map, seeing exactly where the cancer is. Then injecting them with nano-particles, guiding them using a computer controlled magnetic field directly into the cancer and heating up the nano-particles using a radio frequency effectively killing the cancer.

Now this probably wouldn't fully cure a person but maybe give them more time until the actual source can be fixed, no?

OnTopic: I really don't think there are aliens. I believe all the technology we have today was discovered by people. Mostly on accident, but still by people. The government does though probably hide a lot of stuff from us, mostly stuff that would freak out the general public.

[liambonner]

lol, very x-files-esque, I honestly don't think for a minute any government has a cure for cancer.

Thereotically if they did have some cure for cancer, well most people know someone who has cancer, so say a member of the government knows there is a cure for cancer and someone they care for has cancer, i think they would do everything in their power to get this cure. Then once again theoretically if they were able to give this cure to the person well that person would know of this cures existence as would all that persons doctors and friends as well as if they were unable to get some of this cure, they would undoubtabely leak this story to the media.

Basically what i'm insinuating with these theoretical instances is that even if a government had a cure for cancer I don't think they would be able to keep it quiet.

When you think about it you just have to look to back in the 70s. They were building sourceers and then asking for money to funed research for aliens. When really the goverment allready know that aliens exist. Thry first crashed here in the 50s.


Liam just following on your post about "Curing Cancer". I know this is off-topic and everything but.. Well i had sorta of an idea. What if you took an entire MRI-Scan of a person then fed that to a computer making a 3D body map, seeing exactly where the cancer is. Then injecting them with nano-particles, guiding them using a computer controlled magnetic field directly into the cancer and heating up the nano-particles using a radio frequency effectively killing the cancer.

Now this probably wouldn't fully cure a person but maybe give them more time until the actual source can be fixed, no?

OnTopic: I really don't think there are aliens. I believe all the technology we have today was discovered by people. Mostly on accident, but still by people. The government does though probably hide a lot of stuff from us, mostly stuff that would freak out the general public.

How could they not?. The universe is massive and to think the that the human race is the only thing that enhabits it is idiotic (no offence)

[ugabugaz]

Liam, i didn't properly phrase my statement about aliens. What i meant to say is that, I don't think aliens have visited earth. I mean probably there are aliens somewhere out there and someday we will meet but i don't think it has happened yet.

[liambonner]

Liam, i didn't properly phrase my statement about aliens. What i meant to say is that, I don't think aliens have visited earth. I mean probably there are aliens somewhere out there and someday we will meet but i don't think it has happened yet.

Did you see the the news about the radio interveiw and the space man from nasa. He said that aliens do exist and that he has seen pictures and that there like small people

[Fleech]

Did you see the the news about the radio interveiw and the space man from nasa. He said that aliens do exist and that he has seen pictures and that there like small people

I once saw a conspiracy theory that suggested the royal family are actually reptiles in disguise. I bet you don't believe that just because someone happens to have said it.

[liambonner]

I once saw a conspiracy theory that suggested the royal family are actually reptiles in disguise. I bet you don't believe that just because someone happens to have said it.

LOL were did you see that. Besides its kind of two different things. The right full king of this country actually lives in australia. Since the urrent royal family come from german blood. This was a a guy from nasa and not just some nerd doing resaerch.

[Fleech]

NASA employees can talk bullshit just as well as anyone else.

[gr0undp0und]

To the people who claim that the government won't fund the drugs to cure cancer are pretty much spot on.

I have worked with a number of reputable pharma companies that that have found 'slow downs' for the disease among others. But the govt will lose a lot of money if everyone was cured.

We can clone, replicant, divide twins yet we cannot find a cure for AIDS and cancer that we have been researching for decades.......

[impjim]

The internet is full of conspircies left right and center about things that the government are hiding. it is picking out the truth and fact in amongst the rumors.

As far as im aware there is no concrete evidence to say that the government have a cure for cancer, or for that matter, that there is proof of aliens.

The more realistic things that the government keep hush hush are the major things that happened. i can't think of any British examples but obviously there is a big following of people who believe 9/11 was set up by the government. others like the murder of JFK and conspiricies about martial law in USA all have large followings because millions of people have "proof" or evidence that suggests the government is keeping secrets.

[gr0undp0und]

There was a programme I watched a few months back on some German planes landing in the UK during the second world war. I think it was somewhere like Norfolk. The barns that signalled the landing strips.

I found that quite a good watch

[liambonner]

I just found this. Its quiet interesting. Theres a lot of sources and information.

http://www.noguff.com/

[civilred1]

I once saw a conspiracy theory that suggested the royal family are actually reptiles in disguise. I bet you don't believe that just because someone happens to have said it.

I saw that! It was in an interview with Matt Bellamy, the lead singer of Muse. He also suggested that the Egyptian Pyramids were laid out in the same way as pyramids on an area of Mars known as Cydonia, and Washington. They supposedly signal to our alien controllers

[ugabugaz]

Liam, that noguff link you posted, the cancer guy was a complete ass. I mean really? A virus? I don't think so. There's a very simple way to contradict this. Okay, here's what you do.

Step1: Go to any radioactive source
Step2: Stay there long enough, boom cancer.
Wow, i guess cancer really does come from a virus! Who would have thought. Why would the government stop funding for cancer? Anyone can get cancer, even the government so not funding something that can kill you is plainly retarted. I think its more along the lines of limiting the public's knowledge of what can actually CAUSE cancer.

[liambonner]

Liam, that noguff link you posted, the cancer guy was a complete ass. I mean really? A virus? I don't think so. There's a very simple way to contradict this. Okay, here's what you do.

Step1: Go to any radioactive source
Step2: Stay there long enough, boom cancer.
Wow, i guess cancer really does come from a virus! Who would have thought. Why would the government stop funding for cancer? Anyone can get cancer, even the government so not funding something that can kill you is plainly retarted. I think its more along the lines of limiting the public's knowledge of what can actually CAUSE cancer.

I dident read it properley. I just read the first couple of bits. Theres loads of stuff from different sources and stuff about 9/11

[geophok]

as part of the nasa ignore everyrthing you have read here.

[•••••••••••••]

I hate conspiracy theories. Until there is enough evidence to back up your claims apart from one persons word, or even several peoples word then you can't really say for a fact they are hiding anything.

If there has been contact with extra-terrestrial life forms then the government would have to do an amazing job of making sure no one leaks anything to anyone and no evidence is leaked. A near impossible task.

But still everything is possible.

[Noscaasi]

I watched a program about UFO's on More4 yesterday. It showed how the US goverment promoted and lead people into beliving there existance to cover up the development of the "F-117 Nighthawk" Stealth bomber from the Russians. It also showed substantial evidence for the development of a 'project auora' which is basically an advance version of the SRT-Blackbird. Not that It really matters...

As for aliens existing...

100,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy, billions and billions of galaxys... its almost certain.

Aliens on Earth? nah.

[Hazel1558]

Who ever thinks that the Gov dont cover things up are very very naive. Of course they do they have covered alsorts up. Even the news is controlled and can only publish certain amounts of news. The Gov control alot of things if everyone truly knew what was going on blimey the s*** would truly hit the fan lol.

The only things that the Gov don't control is the internet. Its too much of a vast net of info. U can find out allsorts even how corrupt the Gov & companies really are.

[amplifiedAnt]

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[vertigu9219]

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[Hazel1558]

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[Noscaasi]

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[Residentzombie]

Some of you guys are awakening from the Matrix. Welcome to the real world liam, if you want to take the red pill, research the New World Order. First watch what Phil Schnieder (17 year US government Grim Lake Area 51 engineer) has to say about the alien cover up and the black op projects that are going on and have been since the 50's. Next watch what William Cooper has to say regarding aliens. Then go more into exactly what the New World Order is all about. This is alot to take in, but if you want to understand the truth and stop living a life of lies you need to do some research. Don't believe everything 100% but some people are more spot on than others. Alex Jones is a good example of this, He tells alot of truths about the NWO but alot of nonsense as well. Great man to listen to is the author G. Edward Griffin. Our Freedom is being taken from us little by little every day until we wake up one day soon and we have NO freedom left. This is mankinds biggest conspiracy of all time, the largest lie EVER told and it takes alot to uncover the truth. Have an open mind and reason with what you hear and you will gain a better understanding of why everything is the way it is now,

[fallendestroyer]

Gravity is a goverment plot to keep us all on earth!!! QUICK TELL THE MEDIA! AN REMEMBER U HEARD IT HERE FIRST!

[fallendestroyer]

I watched a program about UFO's on More4 yesterday. It showed how the US goverment promoted and lead people into beliving there existance to cover up the development of the "F-117 Nighthawk" Stealth bomber from the Russians. It also showed substantial evidence for the development of a 'project auora' which is basically an advance version of the SRT-Blackbird. Not that It really matters...

As for aliens existing...

100,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy, billions and billions of galaxys... its almost certain.

Aliens on Earth? nah.



Aliens on earth? Have you seen my neigbours! they dont even know how to eat with cutlery an theres ALWAYS weird noises coming from there house (no not those kind of noises) its very possible there here O.o

[the_only_moggy]

You want to know what the government covers up?
Two Words:

David Kelley

For those of you who have either forgotten (shame on you!) or never heard, David Kelley was a microbiologist who was a scientific advisor to the british government and one of the UN weapons inspectors in Iraq. Apparently he discovered some of Iraq's radioactive material previously and Saddam is reported to have wanted him thrown out of the country. Anyway he went to the media during the iraq 'conflict' questioning the PM's claims to WMD's in iraq. He was found dead 3 days later, of an apparent suicide. Timing aside he was also a member of the Ba'hai faith (very interesting religion, look it up) which strongly opposes suicide, plus he apparently sent an email to a US journalist warning "many dark actors are playing games".

Look it up yourselves, but this is one conspiracy theory I strongly believe to be true, the British government killed this man to shut him up. No aliens, no NWO, just a government embroiled in a highly unpopular war who didn't need the hit.

Oh and the CIA killed Kennedy.

BTW
There is a book called Conspiracy Files By David Southwell & Jean Twist (click here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Conspiracy-Files-David-Southwell/dp/1844422321/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244586133&sr=8-1) for an amazon link). Alot of fun, if not too detailed, but a great starting point on many major conspiracy theories, and a fair few I'd never heard of. Also has some good skepticisms to keep things balenced.

[M-47]

hahaha ok i really dont think they would do that hind a cure that is killing millions of people a year

and if they were worried that there are to many people living then they would do what they are doing in china and only let us have a certen abount of children or have they changed that in china?

[HarryT1pper]

I think rather than conspiracy it is most often a case of people needing something to believe in. The idea that something has absoloute control and even if they deny the public that control the fact they have it is comforting to people. I would say throw down your talk of conspiracies and just accept no one is in control of things and you are just going to have to take things day by day. Though if you chose to believe in conspiracies etc I would not try to stop you, just do not let it consume you and worry about it too much. Either way your not going to do anything about it;)

[amplifiedAnt]

Yes, ignorance surely is bliss...

Let's all just take erosion of civil liberties lying down and hopes it all works out in the end, eh?

[Murton]

To the people who claim that the government won't fund the drugs to cure cancer are pretty much spot on.

I have worked with a number of reputable pharma companies that that have found 'slow downs' for the disease among others. But the govt will lose a lot of money if everyone was cured.

We can clone, replicant, divide twins yet we cannot find a cure for AIDS and cancer that we have been researching for decades.......

Why would the government lose money from a cure for cancer? And why would they fund the research?

A cure would save the NHS a fortune in the treatment of something that often is going to kill someone regardless. And pharmaceutical giants like GlaxoSmithkline are some of the most minted companies on the planet (I once worked somewhere where I was privvy to some of the GSK remuneration packages, and I can't go into detail but they were unbelievable), and I'm sure they are more than keen on finding a cure as they know they'd coin it in even more if they develop one to sell on. They won't want their rivals getting there first and stealing the profits from a cure either, so I don't subscribe to one being withheld, there will be (pardon the pun) more than healthy competition to create and distribute one.

Also, people not being ill from the disease would be able to contribute to society still, working and paying tax and NI to keep public services running, spending their wages to keep the economy going, whereas (and I don't mean to sound heartless, I'm just trying to take emotion out and go with facts) without a cure they're just a drain on resources until they pass on.


As for aliens existing...

100,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy, billions and billions of galaxys... its almost certain.

Aliens on Earth? nah.

Exactly.

[bringerofchaos]

think about it, if you cure cancer people will live longer...good ? no because they will be more costly for the govt so that could be a reason why they might cover it up, who knows but all i know is that 1 day cancer will be cured

[blake_]

Have they discovered loads of knolage from another alien race which is hidden?

off topic anyone watch torchwood, that makes you think.

unless your the PM you wont know, i bet the Uk has come closs to being nuked and we dont even know.

[Murton]

think about it, if you cure cancer people will live longer...good ? no because they will be more costly for the govt so that could be a reason why they might cover it up

No way could a government hide a cure for cancer against a pharmaceutical giants wishes. You'd need every government on earth to agree to cover it up as the pharmceuticals would find a buyer elsewhere if certain countries weren't interested, and you won't get that happening.

Yes, people not dying of cancer will have a cost in terms of governmental upkeep, pensions and benefits, but pensions are going to be a problem anyway, and require more people working to pay National Insurance, not being ill and using the resources of the NHS.

It's in no-ones interest to withhold a cure.

[ally]

off topic anyone watch torchwood, that makes you think.

unless your the PM you wont know, i bet the Uk has come closs to being nuked and we dont even know.

Watching "24" makes me think that too.

[Transcendence]

Don't base your ideas upon fictionalized series.

[Cardcaptor Stacey]

lol, very x-files-esque, I honestly don't think for a minute any government has a cure for cancer.
I agree completely. I'm sure someone working for the government who knows about a cure would leak the information to the press. I certain would tell the public!

[NewPain]

I dislike conspiracy theories but i do think the goverment cover alot of things up in "the public's intrest" normaly to keep themselfs out of trouble

[Transcendence]

Seen 2001 : A Space Odyssey? If that thing was found they would cover it up.

[Residentzombie]

Space Odyssey? That movie was created by the Illuminati. Stanley Kubrick I believe, might as well been Alistor Crowley or HG Wells.

[Transcendence]

Stanley Kubrick of course. Why wouldn't he be illuminati? Stop being so fucking ridiculous zombie. I'm not joking. Stop whatever the fuck you are trying to do with this mindless droning about stupid theories outside your own delusional thread. Okay?

[vertigu9219]

I think you will find he has been banned.

[ConorBL4]

This hasn't been mentioned before, so I'll just throw it out there. My Dad believes that the U.S. never landed on the moon, originally. He said they staged the whole thing because they were under pressure; or something like that anyway.

At times, I also think we're being watched everywhere we go. That there's nowhere on Earth that you can truly hide.


here is a big following of people who believe 9/11 was set up by the government.

May I ask what evidence or theories they use to support their arguement? I mean, why would the govenment want to do that?

[Transcendence]

Conor : There's lots of sites that are great for people who want to know everything about the 9/11 conspiracy although no one can really confirm the validity of these site's evidence that proves the government was against it.

Vertigu : Yeah, i saw that. I posted before he was banned i think.

[vertigu9219]

This hasn't been mentioned before, so I'll just throw it out there. My Dad believes that the U.S. never landed on the moon, originally. He said they staged the whole thing because they were under pressure; or something like that anyway.

At times, I also think we're being watched everywhere we go. That there's nowhere on Earth that you can truly hide.



May I ask what evidence or theories they use to support their arguement? I mean, why would the govenment want to do that?

There are many videos available which explain how and why they did it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE
Thats a good place to start.
As for the moon landing? The astronauts placed lasers on the moon to accuratly calculate the distance to earth. These are still in use. Thats why I believe they did go.

@Transcendence: It might not be a bad thing as we might get some proper discussions now. I do think its a bit strange that when King_ubu (who i respect for his help with singstar trophies) got involved Rz got banned pretty swiftly. And the conspiracy theorist in me smells a rat as Ubu evidently strongly disagreed with his point of view.

[Murton]

@Transcendence: It might not be a bad thing as we might get some proper discussions now. I do think its a bit strange that when King_ubu (who i respect for his help with singstar trophies) got involved Rz got banned pretty swiftly. And the conspiracy theorist in me smells a rat as Ubu evidently strongly disagreed with his point of view.

Zombie started another thread, which was locked and removed almost instantly. Never got the chance to see what was in it, but it could have been something in that which led to the ban. Without knowing the facts behind it I wouldn't like to say that Ubu banned him because he disagreed with him (cos then he'd ban me too!! :P) but Zombie was warned about posting his zany stuff and not answering questions that were put to him, so he may well probably have brought it on himself.

[Transcendence]

Stop talking about it. I don't think it's related to serious discussion so just let it go.